Sept. 5, 2023 – “My story actually is so huge, and the journey is so wide.”

Sobriety and recovery gave it back. “20 years, 20 plus years, it’s amazing.”

Amazing, not easy. He had a sentimental gold to work towards. “I just wanted to be a good dad.”

He got involved in a sober living community. “These guys were celebrating three and five years sober, and I thought, man, that is a lot. How do they do that?”

He climbed several steps, learned a list of lessons, and started passing them on.

“How to deal with situations that we weren’t able to deal with before, communication, understanding how other people feel. You know your role, your role in building relationships again, and so those things, those things that I teach, but the real teaching comes from my experience.”


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